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steel singer · Jul 02, 2011, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Jet

You guys are aware that TA had rank discrimination? That was one of the problems with TA. You couldn't get into a group unless you had a specific rank. If you somehow got into a group, most of the people in the group will not know what their doing and will get killed in under 20 seconds. The source of the problem with the pvp community are titles. You can blame the developers for implementing those lame titles. Titles have caused people to sync in RA in an attempt to farm gladiator points. Titles have caused people tun run lame gimmick builds in HA that tend to rely on 3,2,1 skills. The bottom line is that the pvp community in this game is dead and definitely not friendly or helpful toward new players compared in the early days. PvP in guild wars is so broken that it can't be fixed anymore. it's not even worth trying.

TA didn't have that much rank discrimination, it was only friendlist groups that really played TA. All of the competetive teams even knew all of each other. So before the match even started you knew if you would rape them in the face or try your best.

Besides, with my guild [Boo] we won the last mAT(gold trim) this saturday and I can tell you that nobody is a dick here. And yes, some still play RA(everyone got g9-10 already with TA). And ofcourse all of us guest for lower guilds and try to teach them. Everday people in guild chat are saying UGH, these guys are superbad, so much mistakes. But they just say that in guild chat and are polite and help the guilds they are guesting for.
And to clarify, Urania is Karla Grey, arguable the best monk in TA.

Btw, the ONLY way to play PvP in Guild Wars is like always to play with friends. It's always been like that and still is.

Lanier · Jul 02, 2011, 08:07 PM // 20:07

From my (limited) gvg experiences, the gvg players were always pretty friendly. Its far worse in RA.

chullster · Jul 02, 2011, 10:50 PM // 22:50

For anyone who cares I accomplished my goal; 25 wins with my para, so as others have said, any class is playable in RA. Have fun.

Only took a few days.....

Sankt Hallvard · Jul 03, 2011, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by chullster

For anyone who cares I accomplished my goal; 25 wins with my para, so as others have said, any class is playable in RA. Have fun.

You got lucky. I think that you should do this again and post a new screenshot if you make it to prove that it wasn't a fluke.

I Jonas I · Jul 03, 2011, 02:22 AM // 02:22

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

You got lucky. I think that you should do this again and post a new screenshot if you make it to prove that it wasn't a fluke.

Anyone can get 25 wins with almost any bar within reason so long as they try long enough to do it. His screenshot doesn't change the fact that, while certainly not "impossible to win with" there are characters that fill the roll that the paragon is trying to fill a hell of a lot better than the paragon does. Namely any of the overpowered dervish bars out there, a lot of the warrior bars that were meta before dervishes came out, and even melshot or burning arrow rangers.

chullster · Jul 03, 2011, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

You got lucky. I think that you should do this again and post a new screenshot if you make it to prove that it wasn't a fluke.

It just took some time, namely a few days, I had 14-win streaks a couple of times before the full run, I had two good runs fail too due to my internet dropping off, so I might have been able to do it earlier than I did.

As the poster after you said you can get 25 with any bar, and as others have said in this thread even with an empty bar and just rez sig.

This was just a post replying to myself, in effect saying that you can play RA randomly, not syncing, with any profession and be successful too.

I know there are more optimal ways of doing so, I've been there and done that. When I play a "non meta" profession I get more of a free ride from the enemy, ie if I go rit I rarely get rupted if I have another caster in my team, if I go para, I am less likely to get blinded or empathy put on me. If you have a reasonable bar, this free reign lets you win a lot more easily.

Another reason not to play more obvious bars is time and age, I assume you've all played the meta bars? well that can get boring, so I play other stuff for variety/fun.

I now feel sorry for syncers in RA; they get stuck playing the same bars day-in day-out, a super grind-fest of repetition for a title.

urania · Jul 03, 2011, 10:05 AM // 10:05

you really refuse to listen to arguments against your theory, don't you.

oh and if its variety you're after, why arent you in CA?

chullster · Jul 03, 2011, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by urania

you really refuse to listen to arguments against your theory, don't you.

oh and if its variety you're after, why arent you in CA?

Sorry Urania, I'm not sure what you mean by that, as far as I'm aware I have no argument other than RA should be random, and I've not seen anyone saying it shouldn't be. Just some people saying they like to sync, not saying they think everyone should sync. No disagreement. I think

I don't do CA as I don't like being restricted, I like to try stuff out knowing if I think of a skill that would go well with a build I'm thinking of, it's available. So that's the fun reason out of the window.

From a title point of view, CA rank was pretty much maxed by botters/dead hours syncing, so there's no point if the title is your motivation.

urania · Jul 03, 2011, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by chullster

Sorry Urania, I'm not sure what you mean by that, as far as I'm aware I have no argument other than RA should be random, and I've not seen anyone saying it shouldn't be. Just some people saying they like to sync, not saying they think everyone should sync. No disagreement. I think

I don't do CA as I don't like being restricted, I like to try stuff out knowing if I think of a skill that would go well with a build I'm thinking of, it's available. So that's the fun reason out of the window.

From a title point of view, CA rank was pretty much maxed by botters/dead hours syncing, so there's no point if the title is your motivation.

CA is the only place where the various builds can differ from the meta and are actually just as effective (because there's no superior meta versions to fight against) and hence just as fun.

as for RA, read my other posts again, i dont feel like repeating myself. on a side note, maybe i should dig up my 25 wins screenie with 2 rits just to spite you.

last but not least, even I went to 25 with a paragon before, so yea.

chullster · Jul 03, 2011, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by urania

CA is the only place where the various builds can differ from the meta and are actually just as effective (because there's no superior meta versions to fight against) and hence just as fun.

as for RA, read my other posts again, i dont feel like repeating myself. on a side note, maybe i should dig up my 25 wins screenie with 2 rits just to spite you.

I think I've missed something from you, as I didn't know we had a difference of opinion, thought we were just commenting on RA.

gg with the rits, I have to admit it's the profession I like the most in RA.

urania · Jul 03, 2011, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Edit: forgot one has to edit out the names and im too lazy for that, so ill give a brief sum up instead.

one rit was spirit str rt/p, the other ran destruction+rupture soul spike build with draw spirit and destructive was g. (pretty good damage overall, i even ran an almost identical build in ca once with fairly high success). the 3rd member was an ele, probably mind blast.
the screenie was taken over a year ago, when I still ran holy veil...

on a side note, i hate heal rits in RA.

I Jonas I · Jul 03, 2011, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Sup?

For when this image gets deleted because I'm too lazy to block out names: it's a picture of myself, Eden, Sieg and richard getting to 55 wins with 1 warrior 2 paragons and a monk

urania · Jul 03, 2011, 04:12 PM // 16:12

oh yea, paras were widely abused during fear me days even. the build consisted of 2 paras, (normally both or) one of them being axe spamming fear me. shit wasnt funny, because there was no ff, so such cond overload was broken as hell.

@ the screenie, that build is kinda annoying too, ive faced a modified version of that though, 2 paras both carrying wild throw coupled with a hammer warr who could thus have free play on the protless mowwa. cirque used to run it with his american pals. mo/w was godmode because of spammable soldiers defense.

moreover, back in the days before ZB and after boon, paras used to run (the original) ebon dust even, coupled with an apply poison r and fear me scythe. 'fun' times.

btw jonas, only 3 weap sets? what a nublet. :P how old is that pic? was it per any chance made during the times HB maps were added to TA ones for a short duration?

Jeydra · Jul 03, 2011, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by urania

you really refuse to listen to arguments against your theory, don't you.

oh and if its variety you're after, why arent you in CA?

Karla honestly, know when you're backed into a corner. You said earlier it's almost impossible to make 25 wins without syncing, yet he posted two screenshots of just that. He made one with a Para, and one with no healers. In other words he's completely destroyed your point. And you're still arguing.

You are fast turning into one of the people referred to in the first post. If you STILL persist in saying "it's almost impossible to get 25 wins without syncing" read this post.

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Originally Posted by I Jonas I

Anyone can get 25 wins with almost any bar within reason so long as they try long enough to do it. His screenshot doesn't change the fact that, while certainly not "impossible to win with" there are characters that fill the roll that the paragon is trying to fill a hell of a lot better than the paragon does. Namely any of the overpowered dervish bars out there, a lot of the warrior bars that were meta before dervishes came out, and even melshot or burning arrow rangers.

This.

urania · Jul 03, 2011, 05:18 PM // 17:18

it IS almost impossible to get one if you arent extremely lucky or prepaired to waste hours and hours in that shit hole. I made quite a few streaks with a para too, but it doesn't prove me wrong. no one's backed into a corner here, sweetie pie.

superraptors · Jul 03, 2011, 09:59 PM // 21:59

it takes a good hour or 2 to find a team that has half a brain to get to 25 wins.

and monks are terrible these days, they just die to 1 mesmer spamming random shit on them in 30 seconds.

Fate Crusher · Jul 04, 2011, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by superraptors

it takes a good hour or 2 to find a team that has half a brain to get to 25 wins.

and monks are terrible these days, they just die to 1 mesmer spamming random shit on them in 30 seconds.

Cheers for the highly intellectual contribution towards this thread.

I'm going to have to agree with Urania on this one. Sure, you can win with a half-decent build and half of a brain, but no matter what, the meta builds and faceroll bars will always trump a team that cannot counter them. You're very lucky to achieve 25 consecutive wins when you know your team is not well rounded enough to address every TYPE of random team you'll face, e.g. You face dual Hexers and you have no rupts and only 1 removal = gg.

The argument that some people are there to enjoy themselves, experiment or to have a laugh are not addressing the matter fully and have decided to coat their anguish with a layer of sugar. You're not tackling the fact that these "fun" builds are not competitive enough, nor is it "fun" to see people win Strongboxes because your team is not taking it seriously. PvP is designed to be competitive. The fact that people laugh at players who take it seriously, it should be the other way around.

A few weeks ago, I ran an adapted version of a boon prot to some success. I played it to the best of my ability, weapon swaps, protting like my life depended on it, cancelling DB when not needed (i could heal 80+ with dismiss conditions LOL). However, Life Sheath was my elite and I only had Ether Signet for e-management. Which meant the match had to be quick lol. This being said, the smarter players understood what I was up to and played uber defensive, forcing less pressure and resulting in me lasting longer and winning. Yes I got 25 win with it

. But I had a few runs with completely mindless players that ridiculed me because I didn't use Word of Healing. These are the same kinds of players who buy Bone Dragon Staffs for their Rit and camp on it so they look cool. How useful!

Sure, Random Arenas has always been the starting point for nearly all PvPers, and I'm more than happy to accommodate for new players. But PvE nerds are so set in their ways, Power Attack will be ingrained in their head until they rot in their graves (without any strongboxes). /endrant

At the first post: Those guys might not be legit gold cape players, but their skill level will be most definitely higher than regular RA teams. When it gets to this point, players look into the technical stuff and gain satisfaction and fun from those aspects. You won? Gz, but high-end players will immediately sniff out ways to improve. Why did the ranger savage diversion instead of dshot? The warrior needs to watch who to lineback more, these kinds of things.

ps. Apologies for a somewhat disjointed post, I've always felt very defensive if people say it's pointless to take RA seriously because instinctively, I do. lol.

superraptors · Jul 05, 2011, 12:52 AM // 00:52

there is nothing serious about ra, having a brain does not mean a format has to be serious, thats what people who play ra lack, team composition doesn't necessarily mean you are going to lose, it comes down to gameplay 90% of the time, dont tell me you have lost every single time you faced syncers or perfectly set up teams.

Sankt Hallvard · Jul 05, 2011, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Fate Crusher

ps. Apologies for a somewhat disjointed post, I've always felt very defensive if people say it's pointless to take RA seriously because instinctively, I do. lol.

Fortunately for you both the sync guilds and the players that keep leaving after the first win seem to take it pretty seriously too. Which is probably the vast majority of players. The 25-win paragon is the odd one out.

Jet · Jul 05, 2011, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Fate Crusher

Cheers for the highly intellectual contribution towards this thread.

I'm going to have to agree with Urania on this one. Sure, you can win with a half-decent build and half of a brain, but no matter what, the meta builds and faceroll bars will always trump a team that cannot counter them. You're very lucky to achieve 25 consecutive wins when you know your team is not well rounded enough to address every TYPE of random team you'll face, e.g. You face dual Hexers and you have no rupts and only 1 removal = gg.

The argument that some people are there to enjoy themselves, experiment or to have a laugh are not addressing the matter fully and have decided to coat their anguish with a layer of sugar. You're not tackling the fact that these "fun" builds are not competitive enough, nor is it "fun" to see people win Strongboxes because your team is not taking it seriously. PvP is designed to be competitive. The fact that people laugh at players who take it seriously, it should be the other way around.

A few weeks ago, I ran an adapted version of a boon prot to some success. I played it to the best of my ability, weapon swaps, protting like my life depended on it, cancelling DB when not needed (i could heal 80+ with dismiss conditions LOL). However, Life Sheath was my elite and I only had Ether Signet for e-management. Which meant the match had to be quick lol. This being said, the smarter players understood what I was up to and played uber defensive, forcing less pressure and resulting in me lasting longer and winning. Yes I got 25 win with it

. But I had a few runs with completely mindless players that ridiculed me because I didn't use Word of Healing. These are the same kinds of players who buy Bone Dragon Staffs for their Rit and camp on it so they look cool. How useful!

Sure, Random Arenas has always been the starting point for nearly all PvPers, and I'm more than happy to accommodate for new players. But PvE nerds are so set in their ways, Power Attack will be ingrained in their head until they rot in their graves (without any strongboxes). /endrant

At the first post: Those guys might not be legit gold cape players, but their skill level will be most definitely higher than regular RA teams. When it gets to this point, players look into the technical stuff and gain satisfaction and fun from those aspects. You won? Gz, but high-end players will immediately sniff out ways to improve. Why did the ranger savage diversion instead of dshot? The warrior needs to watch who to lineback more, these kinds of things.

ps. Apologies for a somewhat disjointed post, I've always felt very defensive if people say it's pointless to take RA seriously because instinctively, I do. lol.

I got to agree with what Fate says. It might be possible to get to 25 wins with half a decent build and brain, but the problem is that you'll eventually run into teams that are running a build that your team is weak against. Assuming your team isn't synced, it's quite hard or near impossible to be fully covered for all types of situations. For example if your opponents are hex heavy and you have no ranger or some form of interrupt your going to have quite a hard time. This is where player's skill comes into play and this is why RA should be taken more seriously. If you plan to play pvp you have to play seriously.